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In reply to ShareSoc, post #104
A couple of comments on these points:
1) Most companies who care about their shareholders now make the Notice of Meeting for the AGM available on their websites, so there is little basis to claim ignorance of the agenda..
2) On a couple of occasions this year, I believe I have been the only shareholder at Selftrade to vote my shares in a couple of companies - which is surprising in view of the number of holders who would use that nominee.
No it isn't "certainly" a good idea. What it would do is concentrate voting power in the hands of a few individuals - which may suit them very well, but may not actually be in the best interests of shareholders or the company. I understand why you would suggest that, of course......
I am in 100% agreement with that. That is the only properly democratic way to allow shareholders to easily exercise their rights. Perhaps Nominees should be required by law to make such a facility available if they continue to be allowed to aggregate shareholder stakes and votes?
ee
In reply to marben100, post #103
Another similar case to Aminex is of course Carpetright where Lord Harris is moving from Executive Chairman to Chairman.
In reply to Roger Lawson, post #106
Oh, they are similar?
I wasn't aware that Carpetright had indicated that the Lord Harris would eventually be replaced by an independent chairman.
Thanks for the comparison.
In reply to emptyend, post #105
Although companies do publish the Notice of Meetings for AGMs, and Annual Reports, on their web sites, investors in nominee accounts may not know when they appear or when the AGM is scheduled. Unless they plug into an RNS email delivery notice (which most don't) they may not even be aware that a vote is taking place. So providing voting rights via a broker is not enough unless they also provide information rights (i.e. an Annual Report or other notice of a prospective meeting).
As regards your comments on an "enduring proxy" system, obviously it would depend on whether shareholders would use it and they would not do so if they did not have confidence in the appointed proxy organisation (not an individual note). At present we have exactly the inverse situation where many institutions who run funds or pension schemes have great voting power which they barely use at all and hence undermine good corporate governance and the interests of the beneficial owners.
In reply to Roger Lawson, post #106
With Carpetright I'd have thought any hint of Lord Harris getting LESS involved would create a substantial fall in the shares!
The company's shares have seemingly defied gravity over recent years with the only potential risk to shorters being Lord Harris taking his 'baby' private again.
Cheers
In reply to Roger Lawson, post #108
Again most (all listed?) companies RNS information concerning the publication of the Anuual Report. I'd suggest that investors who aren't aware even that an Annual Report is due (at approximately a particular time of year) are rather unlikely to vote in an informed manner, however easy the process is made.
I agree that information rights should be provided though, which is why most companies now publish directly via the internet, so as to circumvent the potential block caused by lack of a nominee process.
It would perhaps be helpful if there was some mechanism for the underlying beneficiaries of funds that are institutionally managed to be able to influence the way that such institutions vote?
ee
In reply to Roger Lawson, post #108
I fully agree with any initiative to make voting through nominee accounts easier. Any proposal that allows nominee shareholders to fully and properly exercise their rights in the same way as shareholders who are on the register proper would get my support. I would make a couple of points though:
1. Shareholders themselves have to take at least some of the blame for the way that shareholder votes generally have poor turnout, and for the way that AGMs and EGMs are often now mere formalities. In my mind that is implicit in your comment in the first paragraph:
If shareholders do not inform themselves via the readily available channels as to when the AGM or shareholder vote is taking place, whose fault is that? The fact that many investors have material amounts of money invested in companies, but cannot be bothered to even do something as simple and easy as sign up for RNS notifications, is indicative of the nature of the problem, isn't it? I think we have to be realistic about what companies can really do. They can bring the horse to water, but surely not make it drink!
2. The idea of an "enduring proxy" system is a definite no-no, for me. That would merely pass the power that rightfully belongs to shareholders from one interest group (management) to another (the proxy organisation) which would no doubt have its own objectives and biases. Ultimately, it is incumbent on shareholders (whether as private investors, or via exerting pressure on those who manage their money) to take some interest in what they are invested in and re-take control of the companies that, collectively, they own!
So the upshot for me is: fully agree with reforms to the nominee system, but the "enduring proxy" gets a thumbs down.
(Incidentally, it seems to me that the current situation where shareholders are largely absent, faceless and don't engage with investee companies, while undoubtedly unhealthy, is the fruit of a number of different trends - notably, trends towards short holding periods, indexing and other quantitative type investing strategies. I am not at all clear on how that can be resolved).
The answer is of course partly education. ShareSoc frequently encourages its members to vote and attend AGMs. There are definitely benefits not just to the company, but to the individual shareholder in knowledge gained, etc. And our directors (including me) do set a good example by attending as many AGMs as possibe of companies in which we personally hold shares. But one has to be realistic and accept that many people cannot spare the time, or the cost, to attend meetings. Proxy voting is another matter altogether though and there is really no sensible excuse not to vote when one can.
In reply to Roger Lawson, post #112
Just on that point, ShareSoc might also "name and shame" companies who choose to hold shareholder meetings at times or in places that appear to be designed to maximise inconvenience for their shareholders.
So...for example....holding meetings just before Christmas on Jersey or the Caymans?
UK-listed companies holding meetings in the city/town of their operational HQ, or in London, at 10.00-11.00 am in the middle of the week might be considered to be a reasonable norm? Choosing a Friday afternoon in Poulton-Le-Fylde might not......though it probably wouldn't deter David ;-)
In reply to emptyend, post #113
We do when they come to our attention. For example we criticised Halfords for holding their AGM in Birmingham at 9.00 am last year (thankfully moved to a more reasonable time this year as they took note). Or how about Blinkx in Cambridge at 9.00 on Sept 21st this year, when they give a London office address?
In reply to emptyend, post #113
Good idea, ee, and this is something we're actively looking at. Besides brickbats, we would also like to award "bouquets" to companies that go the extra mile and really do take shareholder engagement seriously (especially with individual investors).
One issue worth noting, however, is that I understand that those listed/quoted entities that are registered in tax havens can run into tax difficulties if they hold their GMs in the UK. I guess that's another downside you just have to be aware of if you choose to invest in such entities (besides the fact that they may not be subject to the UK Companies Act and the City Code).
Regards,
Mark
In reply to marben100, post #115
mmmmm......
...however, you know at least one company that alternates its AGM between the city of its main listing and the city where its HQ is - and then has been in the practice of holding an information meeting for shareholders on the following day in the other centre.
Making the formal meeting accessible is clearly important - but so is giving shareholders an interface opportunity, even if it doesn't carry the legal weight of a formal AGM.
It is possible to "cover the bases" without major expense....though some who are registered in tax havens may not particularly wish to do that?
Posted by ShareSoc at 16:07, August 28 2012.
Victoria – ShareSoc issues voting recommendations
A previous blog post described some of the past history of the shareholder disputes at Victoria (LON:VCP) . There has now been a further General Meeting requisition to remove the current directors and put in place at least some of the directors who were elected to the board but then resigned. They resigned because it appears they were unable to force through a bonus scheme, which would mainly benefit themselves as non-executive directors.
We have now issued some voting recommendations for the General Meeting on Friday and the prospective EGM which will probably take place in early October. It recommends that shareholders support the existing board simply because ShareSoc considers the proposals that the current board rightly rejected as totally unacceptable (and of course they are contrary to normal practice as regards the remuneration of non-executive directors). See www.sharesoc.org/press_releases.html for more information.
Posted by ShareSoc at 08:07, August 30 2012.
Lighthouse and jobs for the boys
In my blog post on the 19th August I suggested that David Hickey, Chairman of Lighthouse (LON:LGT) might find it wiser to resign, rather than risk being ignominiously booted out. That followed the defeat of his proposal to de-list the company from AIM and the subsequent requisition of an EGM to remove him as a director. Well this morning it was announced that he has taken that wise step and resigned. Director Richard Last is taking over as Chairman.
Not that it is probably relevant to Lighthouse, but a fascinating article in the Daily Telegraph this morning reported on research by Bristol University on what contributes to the success of applicants for board positions on UK Plc boards. It suggested that it is not what you know but who you know. For example, it said that applicants were about four times more likely to be made directors if they were a member of the same golf club as one of the board. Likewise, if they share the same private club as one of the board, their chances doubled. The research, led by Helen Simpson, concluded that the impact of social networks tended to count against women because they were less likely to be members of golf or private clubs. Educational connections such as going to the same school or university also had a positive influence, but less than current social connections.
I find it astonishing that this culture of picking people with the right social connections rather than those with the most relevant experience and abilities still persists in Britain.
Posted by ShareSoc at 08:29, September 2 2012.
Victoria – The issue is really quite simple
I attended the AGM of Victoria (LON:VCP) on Friday. ShareSoc previously issued some voting recommendations for that meeting and the prospective EGM which will probably take place in early October. It recommended that shareholders support the existing board simply because ShareSoc considers the proposals that the current board rightly rejected as totally unacceptable, and what was said at the AGM did not change my view on that matter although it was revealed that Geoff Wilding was willing to act as an executive director rather than simply a non-executive. See www.sharesoc.org/press_releases.html for more background information.
A full report (5 pages) on the AGM is present on the ShareSoc Members Network. It was of course quite a contentious meeting with employee shareholders concerned about their jobs if there was a break-up of the company. Both the current board and the “concert party” (the Anton family backed by New Fortress Finance) evaded discussing the details of their future strategy – but it looked at times like a battle between traditionalists and asset strippers with the concert party being characterised as the latter.
At the end of the meeting the poll results were decisively in favour of the concert party and therefore the four directors up for re-election were defeated (including the CEO). One of those removed (Mr Garman) was immediately reappointed as otherwise only Katherine Innes Ker would remain. The CEO, Mr Bullock, and Mr Poynter, who leads the Australian operations, will continue in an executive role. The vote numbers indicate it will be very difficult for the current board to win the forthcoming EGM so the concert party may well gain control in a few weeks time unless some of the Anton family shareholders change their position, an enormous number of smaller shareholders manage to vote or the process can be thwarted by an appeal to the Takeover Panel.
On reflection, there seems to be only one issue in essence because the future business strategy of the current board and of the concert party does not obviously differ greatly (indeed when Anton and Wilding were on the board, they seemed to agree it). So far as shareholders can see at present, it might only differ in aggressiveness. So the only real issue is who might get the benefit of the improved value or return of cash to shareholders and on what terms. Should there be enormous bonuses paid out to Wilding and others for their roles or not?
I simply think they should get a fair reward for the effort they might expend, but certainly no non-executive director should be remunerated via an incentive scheme.
In reply to ShareSoc, post #119
Sadly this seems to be yet another situation where you are generalising (without pause for thought) from a specific example ("enormous bonuses") to something that purports to be a general rule ("certainly....." etc).
The point is surely dependent on the scale? Nobody would support "enormous bonuses" - but that is a long way away from the general statement you have made, which is sweeping and ill-considered.
“There is nothing wrong with trying to sell the company, but a scheme so skewed in favour of directors—in particular non-executives—is wrong”. Dominic O’Connell in the Sunday Times yesterday about the events at Victoria. It seems at least one other person agrees with me.
Suggest also that folks read this report from Hardman which spells out why the proposed deal from the concerty party was a stinker, and how it potentially extracted returns that should go to other shareholders:
http://www.baystreet.ca/articles/research_reports/hardman/Victoria-August2012.pdf
In reply to Roger Lawson, post #121
Just to be clear, I have no problem with your specific comments about Victoria Carpets!
But you should be careful not to generalise from the specific to the general. It is wrong to conclude generally that:
...without providing any context for that comment. For example, it isn't difficult to think that sometimes investors might be faced with needing to either pay NEDs via incentives or to put up fresh cash to pay salaries....or to see the NEDs resign. Seeking to tie the hands of management via a box-ticking preclusion of some forms of compensation may have dangerous and damaging consequences.
Such things are a matter of scale - but I certainly wouldn't defend excessive payments.
In reply to emptyend, post #123
Yes, there are exceptions to every rule. In some exceptional cases incentives for non-execs may be justified. In those cases, the reasons should be clearly explained to and ratified by shareholders.
From the Code:
The danger of substantial incentives for non-execs is that they may compromise their ability act solely in the interests of the company, rather than in their own self-interest. Certainly, such incentives cast a cloud of suspicion over their motivation. MBL (LON:MUBL) is one example of such suspicion, where relations between the chairman and shareholders have soured due to the former's receipt of a substantial bonus (he regarded his base salary as "petrol money"), together with the CEO, just before a major collapse in the company's business.